When Zafar Iqbal speaks about hockey, you have to listen closely. The former national caption and coach, who led India at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics and who was part of the 1980 team that won the last Olympic gold medal for the country, spoke to TOI Sports on the state of the sport, the reason why Indian hockey has not matched its past glory, the differences from when he was a player and more.

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Star Sports has been running a catchy advertisement on TV in the build-up to the Hockey World League. Do you think more of the same can act as a boost to the team and create awareness?

Definitely, it would do a lot of good. Earlier, there was a lot of coverage of Indian hockey, during my playing career. Nowadays, there is hardly any if you were to compare. In my days, if there was any tournament played in the country, all the newspapers covered it. The Beighton Cup, Gold Cup, Agha Khan, Obaidullah Gold Cup, MCC and what not. But today there is hardly any coverage. Its more commercialised. So its good to see TV commercials showcasing the achievements of the current team. It will do a lot of good. People will go through the present hockey situation and naturally they will divert their minds towards hockey rather than purely cricket or a few other games.

What impact do you think sponsorship such as that of Hero MotoCorp and other companies would have had on Indian hockey during your time?

There was no need for sponsorship in the 1970s, ’80s or prior to that because hockey was very popular. People were following it deeply, in the sense that what was happening to the team when it went to tour Europe, Australia and the like. As I said, there was a lot of coverage back then. But for the last 20-odd years there has hardly been any coverage. That has had an impact, I would say. It has also killed this game.

That said, you have to be competitive with other sports. If you want to live upto the expectations of people, you have to perform. Slowly, over time, we could not do much as desired with the people of our country. Earlier, we were winning a lot and we never started focusing when he started losing in international hockey, such as in ’62 or ’72. We never bothered. We felt that ‘okay, we will recover’.

At the same time, the other countries have progressed like anything. They concentrated on everything, they encouraged different levels of hockey. Look at Holland, Germany, Spain, Argentina. I don’t think we planned our game in a manner that we should have, just going and playing without any game plan prior to a tournament. In the 1978 World Cup in Buenos Aires, I remember though we were defending champions, there was hardly any planning. Our coach, Mr RS Gentle, never bothered. Players were going here and there. Just before a match we would assemble and the coach would say ‘okay, you are playing and you are not’ and that was it. You cannot survive that way in such big competitions. That was a big blunder on our part. We never focused on how to improve our game when we started losing. Be it ’68 or ’72, we won bronze medals but never thought that we have to bounce back or looked at what was wrong with our system. This is my reading for the last 40 years.

Now we are focusing and planning and the team is playing much better. We didn’t to that. It was like ‘okay, we’re playing against Spain? No problem, chak de fattey sher de putter! Bharat maata ki jai!’. That was our attitude, instead of looking at what we should be planning for. There was josh but no proper planning.

And what if there had been proper planning?

Then we would have performed much better! Lose or win, a team should have planning that is inserted in the minds of players, that this is how we should play against Germany, this is their weak point and strong point, this is how we should defend. We would go out and do it, but not in the manner in which our opponents were planning.

You say that today there is planning, so what is lacking in our hockey?

There are many reasons. Funding, development, a proper system, lack of enough quality players. We have talent, of course. We have some fine players. Sometimes there is an open goal that is missed, a pass is deflected, a pass is not good enough. You can look at it in many ways. There is no doubt that our players are getting more confident, though they may not as good as an Ashok Kumar, Dhyan Chand or Ajit Pal Singh, BP Govinda….

Or a Zafar Iqbal….

(Laughs) It may not just be about individuals. Game-wise, they are doing pretty well. Overall the structure needs working, which will take time.

Are foreign coaches making a difference?

There is an impact, there are some good strategies, but not as much as we would like. Maybe its because of a lack of quality players. We are lacking a big talent pool. If you compare us to Australia, Germany, Holland or England, even Argentina, they have many quality players. Of course we have world class players too, but not as many.

Initially, I was very much in favour of foreign coaches. The feeling was that they should come here and teach us some strategy and game plans. But for whatever reason, I have not been impressed with the last three of four coaches. Jose Brasa was okay, Michael Nobbs had some good ideas. Paul Van Ass was a good player in his time and will give his best. But whether they have enough quality players is also a question that must be asked.

Which reflects on the system….

Yes, and many changes have taken place to international hockey. In my opinion, it will take time. Competitions like the WHL and such will have an impact. But at the same time, in general people are not very enthusiastic about hockey. We need more reporting, more awareness. Hockey’s progress in our country is not very fast. It is growing slowly. Aisa nahin hai ki you can capture world hockey in the next five years. There is a big gap between us and the top teams. We are bad at some basics, such as trapping. Our base is lopsided, its not systematic.

You know, when I first went to Argentina I did not know that hockey was that big there. There were 75 men’s clubs just in Buenos Aires! Before we went to Moscow for the 1980 Olympics, we were at the NIS Patiala where we were told that the surfaces there were very fast. One day, the authorities there shaved off all the grass and then ran a roller over the turf, and then put cow dung all over. Their logic was that the surfaces in Moscow would be something like this! Then we landed in Moscow and saw synthetic Poligrass surfaces and were stunned.

It has been said that Indian hockey failed to adapt to the changes, such as the more aggressive, fast European style of play as well as to the turf variations. Do you agree?

It is a wrong perception. If you are a quality player, you will do well anywhere. That is the hallmark of a very good player. I saw the Pakistan team which like us had no experience playing on astro turf, do so well. The fund distribution system has not helped. The government gives Rs 150 crore to hockey, which SAI then has to distribute between so many federations. Some of the federations don’t get much out of this stock. Hockey India has had to drop tours because of a lack of funding.

That said, the Hockey India League has helped. Our youngsters get to play with good foreign players. They are finding themselves playing with and against someone like Jamie Dwyer. That pushes them.

Which of the current lot excites you?

We have good players. Rupinder Pal Singh is good, so is Gurbraj Singh. When I was a selector for three years, Gurbraj was not playing for the country. He was removed but I kept insisting that this boy be selected. He is very confident. Then he came back and has been playing for the last four years. Sardar Singh is slowing down, but he is a good player. We need quality players in the front line.

Do we have enough goal scorers?

Not like before, when you could easily identity scorers. But this team is playing good hockey.

There seems to a perceived weakness in the mind, particularly when it comes to final moments. It seems like the team starts to get the jitters….

Nothing like that. We have strong players, physically and mentally. Their defence is okay, they are sustaining the pressure.

What are your expectations of the team at the 2016 Rio Olympics?

For us, the WHL is only a test of where we stand. Just to qualify doesn’t mean you have won the gold. In 2012 right here in Delhi, when we won the final of the Olympic qualifiers, I was asked whether we could win an Olympic gold. My response was that this is just a small wall, and that we must jump much higher walls in London. The Olympics is a different level. Looking at Rio 2016, I think India will finish somewhere between sixth and tenth. I’m not saying we cannot do something special, but that is a realistic expectation. Of course, we can do something special and reach the semi-finals. It is possible, but the team needs a very positive outlook. They must play fearlessly.

Which Indian who you played with most impressed you?

Mohammed Shahid was a great player. It was largely because of him that we won that 1980 Olympic gold. If he hadn’t played so well we would have lost. Opponents used to put two men to mark him, he was that good. Nobody could stop him. He would leave the Australians in a tizzy. Shahid had jugglery. By nature, he was like that. If I want to play like that, I cannot. He had that exceptional advantage. That was his flair. He would suddenly break and opponents would fall here and there and he would zoom past them. That was his class.